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April 29, 2010


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The link doesn't work (within PowerLink), and I can't find the document "Oracle 11g virtual to physical replication..." PowerLink comes up with nothing. Can you re-post?


Itzik Reich

Itzik Reich (EMC) here.
A financial customer of ours used or services to design and implement vCenter SRM, the 1st stage of the project was to virtualize ALL of his Physical Servers..everything went fine untill we reached the Oracle Servers, not because we had a technical issue but becasue Oracle told the customer that they will not fully support the solution, the customer simply told them that the next SAP module (HR) will be deployed on MS-SQL instead..two days later he received an official email from Oracle stating that they will give support (but still reserve the right to ask the customer to replicate the issue on a physical server, we have used to same techique highlighted in the pdf (RM with RDM formatted luns) so in a case of support issue (hasn't happen even once!) we can reverse to a physical solution..this resulted in a fully DataCenter virtualization project and a Wroking/Automated DR solution using vCenter SRM.


We were working with an "IBM AIX LPAR-EMC Storage" combination as our main platform for oracle for many years.

Last year we did some test with "VM Linux-VMware running on Intel x5570 proccesors-EMC Storage" combinantion and the results were amazing. So that, we started to move all our Oracle databases from IBM SystemP servers to Intel&VMware severs.

It's good to know that we could have more support over this new platform.

We did that because we saved a lot (A LOT) of money and from my experince VMware virtualization technology is more flexible and better than IBM power virtualization arquitecture (Vmotion, HA, Cloning, VCB, DRS, etc).


Hey Chad,
Great post! Seems many steps towards a common goal. We are an EMC, VMware, Cisco and Oracle shop.
I'm lucky enough to have responsibility or involvement in all disciplines except for being an actual DBA. We are currently in the middle of migrating to an Oracle RAC implementation. Due to our inexperience with RAC we solicited an Oracle only consulting group for help. In the design phase I suggested we consider virtualizing this infrastructure due to the investment in it's redundancy, performance, etc. This was out of the question (sez the project team), considering "O"'s stance on virtualize that isn't their own. Well, we also run Oracle Unbreakable Linux for our Oracle App Server dev environment on top of their virtualization (OVM) offering. Yikes, what a mess OVM is. My group is pretty saavy, but administrating this environment was not your standard challenge. The only thing more difficult was finding good documentation, anywhere. As the project progressed, I tried again to avail. A short time later, we experienced a random OVM failure thus leaving a few OVMs inoperable. Luckily we happen to get it working. I took the opportunity to "strike while the iron hot" and pleaded my case, again. I took a concession in that it was decided to set up our dev environment on ESXi as a RAC-in-a-box rather than OVM. We still are rolling with physicals for the actual production RAC.
Yes, my fight is/was with the big '"O". But, I also had to win over my teammates, superiors and the consultants. They still fear having to call support. I had the whole dev environment built and running in almost half a day. That would have taken just shy of a week with OVM. In the end, we have a solid dev environment that I hope to use to build a case for rolling it into an ESX farm. Oracle is trying to strong arm their way into an arena they sorely lack in. It stinks, especially since when is no technical reason not to support the VM environment. You're right in that people have just shrugged it off as "that is the way it is". You are correct in your efforts and as a smaller player in the scheme of things, I thank you. Sorry for letting a vein on this one......



Quick one, above you mention :-
"Oh – we also showed how using Fully Automated Storage Tiering, Solid State storage, and deduplication using Data Domain we could lower the acquisition cost by 30%, and the operating costs of Oracle 11g by 45% – while delivering equal or better performance."

Can you please point me towards the document and models that show this as none of the PDFs referenced in the PR actually show any form of numbers, TCO or ROI models? Or any comparison baselines...


Jay Weinshenker

For customers who run Oracle E-Business (aka Oracle Apps) there simply isn't much to use to encourage Oracle to change their support policies. The ability to switch from say, Oracle E-Business to say, SAP, isn't a small endeavor.

Having said that, I strongly encourage any Oracle customer to strongly consider running Oracle virtualized on VMware. My company made the switch for our Tier 1 Oracle software (Oracle E-Business and Oracle Hyperion, and currently in process of moving Oracle Agile and Oracle Universal Content Manager) to running on VMware and our experience has been excellent.

Never once has Oracle denied us support due to VMware virtualization and the flexibility VMware provides with storage vMotion, SRM, etc allowed us recently to move from a CX3 to a CX4 with NO downtime. The ability to revert back in minutes when patching / upgrading a whole Oracle E-Business / Hyperion environments is a level of security we never had without VMware. I simply cannot recommend Oracle on VMware enough.

This comes from a guy (me) who has been an Oracle Certified Professional for 10+ years and a RedHat Certified Engineer / Technician for about 4 years.


Great post! Seems many steps towards a common goal.I'm lucky enough to have responsibility or involvement in all disciplines except for being an actual DBA.
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Storage Geek

Hi Chad - Good and interesting post. Just to echo Ian's comments around TCO - Do you have any documentation / in depth financial analysis that shows these cost saves (Acquisition costs down by 30% and Opex Costs down by 45%) - if this is the case - tht is great - but need to see the meat on the bones to understand more.




I'm trying to get to the EMC document, but it says its been moved or not accessible.... anyone got a copy they can send me, or know how I can access it.




Hi, Chad!

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