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June 03, 2015

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Jay Z

Yo, unsubscribed. The homo fad will calm down either naturally or when we're wiped the fuck out. Maybe that's why gays love tech; it's the only hope to save their asses and keep the gay bubble shield up since they don't do so well in the military. Don't be a follower, as cool as it is to be one these days.

Brad

Excellent job Chad and EMC. The company just gained a level of respect from me that has nothing to do with their product.

Chad Sakac

@JayZ - thanks for your comment.

Like I said, I respect people's right to disagree with me. I even respect some opinions that disagree with mine. Over the years, my opinions have changed - in a huge part because I fight to keep an open mind, and listen to persuasive arguments.

Your arguments aren't persuasive to me. Further, I think it's possible to disagree without being disagreeable.

- I don't think there is a "homo fad". I would bet the percentage of the human population that has landed into an LGBT category has held steady for as long as humans have existed. After all, there are clear examples in the natural world as a whole.
- I don't follow anyone except my heart and my mind. I would run in the opposite direction of any trend that I disagreed with. I think the trend you're noting is people's minds opening up - and realizing "why would I hurt people who are not hurting me?" In fact there's been interesting dialog in the far right that being against people's personal life that don't hurt others is in fact the opposite of a libertarian "live and let live" and "don't tread on me" philosophy. This isn't a "right"/"left" thing. Or a trend, or a fad.
- when I look around me, I see people in the LGBT community doing great things to lift the world up - and not just in areas stereotypically applied to them - but everywhere. I listen to your philosophy and it seems like it just tears things down. One of two philosophies wins in the long term. The other one, well.. loses.

Of course, I respect your choice to comment, and to unsubscribe. It's too bad though. You are electing to take yourself out of dialog, out of debate. Self-selecting yourself out of progress/growth (even if you keep your point of view, listening to those of others doesn't "hurt you") in a sense.

Good luck - and "haters are gonna hate"

Calle_Liljeholm

Great stuff, makes me even prouder to be an EMC employee!

David_goss

Thanks Chad! So happy to call your our leader!

B Wes

I came to the virtualgeek website looking to subscribe to virtual content/information not to learn your personal viewpoint on a non-technical topic. If I wanted to know what you thought about non-technical topics I would have attempted to find your social networking page.

I will not be looking to virtualgeek for any information in the future.

steve Heuer

Chad, I believe a blog is a blog, technology, or current events, it is refreshing. Technology (operations (10+ years) mainly where I come from, have seen horrible treatment, if only humanity could evolve as fast as we adopt technology, I could only imagine how happier we would all be.
It is truly refreshing to read a positive post.

-Steve H

Tom Twyman

Hey Chad - thanks for taking a stand. It's a difficult choice to address one of the traditionally taboo "Big 3" (politics, religion, current events) through a work venue - and the LGBT issue crosses all 3. I personally believe it is even more difficult in our field, as it is so dominated by men, and in my experience, sadly, men tend to be less open minded than our kinder, gentler counterparts.

This is not universally true, of course - certain areas of the country (major metropolitan centers), certain industries (fine arts) definitely have shown themselves to be more open and accepting, but I have seen far too many instances where others deride those areas or industries for just that reason.

I am hopeful that in the future people will recognize such derision for what it is... ignorance and fear. I am sure I will hear from some that cling to their desperately over-macho viewpoint that manhood is defined by the size of your biceps and willingness to inflict pain on others, and womanhood is defined by your curviness and willingness to please your man.

Clinging to stereotypes is an act of desperation in the face of the truth - that humans are complex creatures capable of love in many forms... And love is not a threat to anyone.

Thanks again, Chad.

Peace.

Greg Lomitius

Biodiversity in the ecosystem has nothing to do homosexuality. LGBT only makes up a small percentage of the population but the abomination is constantly promoted and forced upon the population.
The hypocrisy of these LGBT people is unprecedented. They embrace tolerance as long as you agree with them. Many, many examples of this doing a quick Internet search.
I and many others actually avoid purchasing products from and patronizing companies that willingly promote the LGBT mental illness.
I, as others in the world, now have an unfavorable view of EMC.

Greg Lomitius

This does not help promote your company in any way, unless you consider the 2% LGBT community as your customers. Post like this do nothing to advance the skills of the technical community and frankly you should be ashamed of this post. If you were coerced to make this post, than you should have stood up, after all, the LGBT community do preach tolerance, correct?

Chad Sakac

@B Wes - thanks for your comment. I of course respect your right to not read, and while I'm sorry that I won't have the opportunity for continued dialog with you (on technical and non-technical topics), so be it.

It's a shame - because I've found that dialog (vs. isolationism) tends to move things forward in all domains - technical and non-technical.

Chad Sakac

@Greg Lomitius - my comment about biodiversity (please, go back and re-read) was about diversity in ALL forms - of ideas/viewpoints and perspectives, as well as race/religion/gender/sexual preference/age, etc. My comment was that "monocultures" (low diversity) tend not to be very stable, and tend to struggle with change.

Statistically, the data I've seen suggests that LGBT is more akin to about 10% of the overall population. The Kinsey studies on this (while old, still seminal) are fascinating, and interesting reading for the open-minded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale. It's also interesting that they note that sexuality is more like a spectrum than binary. I've had experiences where people struggling with their own place on the spectrum (vs. being secure in their own skin) results in strange behavior - after all, they are very conflicted internally.

It's important to be who we are.

It's also worth double-clicking on this topic of "small population".

It's interesting to look at the recent Pew studies that show religious affiliation in the US (here: http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/) for perspective.

I'm not making a COMPARISON between values of the LGBT community and Protestants, Jews, Islamists, and atheists (after all they are totally different overlapping circles in a Venn diagram) - but the data would imply that people in the LGBT community represent marginally less than mainline Protestants, and considerably more than non-christian faiths. Likewise, the LGBT community would represent less as percentage than people who don't subscribe to any particular faith (atheists/agnostics).

What about looking at another set of populations... Take a look at the census data on age (here: http://www.census.gov/population/age/data/2012comp.html). That means that the LGBT community is roughly about the same population proportion as the women between the ages of 20-29 or men between the ages of 40-50 in 2012.

I wouldn't view those groups as "marginal" - would you?

If someone was doing something that made all 20-29 year old women marginalized, or 40-50 year old men, or Jews, or protestants - man, I would come to their defense.

That said - there is ZERO in my mind or heart (and I think this is true of the rest of the company, but I'm speaking for myself here) that is driven by trying to "please" a set of customers.

I'm coming completely from what I think is right.

LGBT is not a mental illness, and on this, the science seems pretty decided. At least it's as decided as science ever gets, because after all - science is always open to new heretical ideas - GIVEN ENOUGH DATA (the onus of proof is on the challenger to bring the data, and the weight of the data must be greater the greater the challenge to the current thinking).

Re tolerance, I absolutely believe in tolerance of others, and while I completely disagree with your point of view, and will discuss and debate it with you - I would never constrain you - so long as you aren't hurting or constraining others, or outside the bounds of the law (as a secular society, that's the rule that governs us all).

If I found someone in the LGBT community who was not tolerant of the views of others (tolerance doesn't mean that you don't disagree, don't debate), I would fight and argue/debate with them equally.

Free speech is the backbone of modern post-renaissance western societies. Free speech means vigorously fighting in defense of people's right to say things that are abhorrent to you, and fighting back those ideas you find abhorrent with more speech (like I'm trying to do here).

What would I do if someone wouldn't back down - and didn't want to debate/discuss in the bounds of free speech? After all - there are belief systems that will fight not with ideas, not with words, but with violence and suppression.... Well then it needs to be countered with force. I'm no pacifist.

On the "I only want to discuss technical topics" that has come up a couple times - I'm of course going to get back to technical posts being a passionate nerd.

I find it interesting... so far in more than 800 blog posts, I've done 3 (count 'em 3!) that are non-technical in nature:

One when I got the SE leadership job about my beliefs (here: http://virtualgeek.typepad.com/virtual_geek/2012/01/this-i-believe-emc-presales-manifesto.html)

One one on women's day (here: http://virtualgeek.typepad.com/virtual_geek/2015/03/happy-xx-day.html)

And then this one.

Interesting that the only ones that got such strong angry, negative reaction was the women's day one, and this one.

Based on that, imagine how hard it must be to deal with people with emotions/positions like these if you were a woman, or part of the LGBT community. Regardless of the fact that I'm a man, and somewhere on the hetero spectrum on the Kinsey scale.... Well, sheer human empathy for others makes me reflect on that - and perhaps everyone should.

Haters gonna hate - it seems like the way of the world.

Peace, and good luck to you Greg!

Chris Wenzel

One of things I value the most about being an EMCer (and I think our customers and partners feel the same way) is the diversity in who we employee and how it comes through in our solutions. Whether it comes from where the resource lives or in this case who they are it's that diversity that makes us a stronger company.

Speaking strictly as a member of the technical community, should something like this color my view of any company? My answer, and the answer of most people based on my conversations, is no. A central part of what we need to be is open. Whether that means being open to new ideas and concepts (OpenStack and Hadoop didn't exist in their current forms when I joined EMC but they are now a central part of what I do) or to new people that will potentially allow us to grow.

Paul Galjan

@greg & @B Wes: I admire Chad for his choice to become one of the executive sponsors of the EMC LGBT association, as well as the way that he's taken this public stance.

I respectfully disagree with you that this is somehow bad business. On the contrary, diversity in all its forms proves to be very good business. In just four years, the majority of the workforce will be comprised of millennials, who as a demographic are overwhelming supportive of the LGBT community overall. It's even more striking when you look at the geographical areas where technology companies are concentrated.

Technology (really all) companies need to recruit from the broadest candidate base possible, and an inclusive work environment is critical to that. The number of people who want to work in an inclusive work environment far outnumbers the population of the LGBT community.

As for customers, we're a technology company. It would really surprise me to find that anyone actually cares about the gender identity of the person who wrote the ViPR plugin for Virtual Machine Manager.


bevofan

I am astonished at the venom and vitriol in some of the comments above. I don't have a dog in this hunt so to speak - but I do have some very good friends that do - both from a belief system and their choice of romantic partner. I wouldn't hold that against them any more than I would hold ill will against them having brown hair vs. blonde (which, by the way I wouldn't).

There is just not enough hate in me to be so understand the incredibly venomous nature of some people's comments when it comes to this topic. I believe there's enough for me to focus on that condemning someone that isn't causing you a bit of harm in ANY way never even occurs to me.

For the record, I am an EMC employee, a big fan of our leader (Chad), and a daily / hourly VirtualGeek follower. I'll continue to be so. For whatever it's worth, you have my full support.

Greg Lomitius

Sorry, let me back up a sec.
I don't hate anyone. If you want to be LBGT, that is your business and your choice. I know LBGT folks and work with them, no problem. They don't promote it as some sort of grandstanding event that folks must show some sort off allegiance. I, and a majority of others, find LGBT and the promotion of it to be offensive as most would find racism to be equally offensive. Why would a company take this clearly offensive position and alienate customers? Botomline, companies should avoid this type of radical positioning as it serves no real purpose. Remember, the straight, Christian community is the majority in this country, LGBT is also frowned upon by one of the largest religions in the world. Surely marketing took this into account before promoting this type of event. Anyway, I find it offensive, but there is no law that says I should not be offended. I simply avoid and remove my self. I have already wasted way to much time here with even this post.

Storagebod

Despite the fact that the great majority of your posts are technical; I've always thought that your blog always leaves visitors with a strong sense of who you are and what your values are, long may it continue. It's always nice to see the person behind the post...this just strengthens it and hey, if it strengthens EMC's brand as well...tis all to the good.

Good work Chad and good work EMC...

Paul Galjan

@Greg:

Acceptance != promotion.

That's simple python code, bro.

Brett

@Greg,

No one "wants" to be LBTG (well, a very few might). They either are or aren't. It's not a choice as you allude. I'm sure it's easier for your sense or morality to view it this way but it just isn't. And comparing someone asking for acceptance of who they are to racism is mind boggling dumb (and very mean spirited).

Emilie

Chad, I stumbled across your blog this morning and I just can't seem to shake this post from my head. This was a risky post to share, both on a personal level for you, as well as on a corporate level for EMC (despite your disclaimer, you are still a voice of EMC). It's polarizing and has obviously pushed some people away (albeit the minority few). But hopefully it brings more people closer; I know that's the case for me. I wish I could say I worked for a company, or even did business with a company, that embraced diversity and strived for a better humanity such as EMC. Kudos to EMC leadership, HR, employee comms, corporate comms, and most of all, you.

Paul Huckaby

Good on you Chad... I'm sure taking on the executive sponsorship added even more to your already full plate and for posting this knowing darn well you would get negativity.

Mike Phelan

Great post!

keep being a positive force, it's what I admire the most.

MP

Elisa Vega-Burns

Great post! Thank you for your leadership! ELGBTA is quite lucky to have you as one of its Executive Sponsors!

Said Muhammed

I came here looking for information on storage... apparently I'm getting that and a whole lot more.
Kudos to you!

Eduard van Bennekom

Hi,

I would like your attention for this great story concerning LGBT rights.

This saturday, first of August, people unable to take part openly in gay pride activities in their own country can sail in Parade “virtually” on a secured website.
On the website www.pridestream.org the whole world can enjoy a live full 360-degree view of the celebrations and experience the feeling of being their true self.
Watch the film here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhhnSXYoA0U

For more information: http://nis5.pr.co/106864-this-year-the-whole-world-can-join-in-amsterdam-s-gay-pride-canal-parade

It would be wonderful if you could share this in your network.

All the best,

Ed van Bennekom

Aravindha Chellappa

Chad,

As many positive responses above have mentioned already, this shows the person behind the post - which we admire above all.

This has made my view on you and EMC a little higher.

Keep posting - both technical and otherwise.

Best,
Aravindha

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