UPDATE Feb 12th, 2010: 10:52pm ET:
I really do want to reiterate, I posted this in a light spirit, some of the claims struck me as funny ("The only SAN with vSphere vStorage Fault Tolerance support included at no extra charge"), and some so demonstrably incorrect ("The only SAN platform which supports SRM for both automated failover and FAILBACK") that I laughed, and my team laughed.
So, why not spread the laughter? Don’t read into any more than a fun thing to make us laugh. And yes, if you get very literal, it’s not technically FUD if it’s not directly negative on another vendor, but hey, then the alliteration in the title of the post doesn’t work :-)
UPDATE Feb 17th, 2010: 1:16am ET
Thanks for all who responded! I’ve closed the survey, and gathered 209 responses from around the world. The answer to the question “who said this?” is below.
There’s so much fud that gets slung around these days (not implying EMC is immune!!!) that rather than get frustrated by it, my team tries to have a bit of fun with it. I think the game is fun enough to share out there :-)
Ok, this first variant we call “name that vendor”. A question comes in from a customer, which is clearly a “list of ‘unique's’” that was sent by a vendor. By “unique’s” I mean a list of pithy points where a vendor makes a grandiose claim of uniqueness on a given feature in the hopes the customer makes that one thing on that list a buying requirement.
What we like to do is strip out the customer name, and the vendor source, and play “name that vendor”. It’s always fun because it’s usually from sales, and they so mangle what the product actually does do that’s cool, or make just flat out incorrect or silly claims. Since VMware is one of the most popular customer use cases of infrastructure, we get to see some fun ones…
Here’s the first Virtual Geek episode of “Fun with Vendor FUD – Name that Vendor”! (I’ll answer the source after a week of polling)
- The only SAN with vSphere vStorage Fault Tolerance support included at no extra charge
- Full Application aware API integration with VCB at no extra charge
- Clustered SAN architecture to match your ESX server cluster
- Fully integrated MS VSS apps with API hooks
- Full Synchronous replication software included at no extra charge
- The only SAN platform which supports SRM for both automated failover and FAILBACK
Survey has been closed – don’t worry – there will be more episodes of “Fun with vendor FUD” – survey result (209 votes) – results below (including geographic dispersion of votes)
There’s all sorts of vendor craziness out there.
My advice? Ignore claims of “uniqueness” (heck, even from EMC in general, or me specifically). Look at the product on it’s own merits. What problems could this help you solve today? Does it have value that is greater than it’s cost. Does it align with where you see IT going?
“uniqueness” in any industry is hyper-transient. “Different”, well – every product has architectural elements that mean that it can do things differently – and that’s legit, and customers should consider them. My other advice? Have some Fun with Vendor FUD :-)
If you think this is funny like I do, I’ll keep posting more episodes…
…So – who said it?
First of all – don’t take this as an indictment of any vendor – all of us do these shenanigans periodically. And also, remember that this truly is in the spirit of fun. I will try to be even handed, including “Fun with Vendor FUD” episodes that poke fun at EMC.
… so – in this case, the source was from an HP/Lefthand. The giveaways (to me) were:
- “The only SAN with vSphere vStorage Fault Tolerance support included at no extra charge”. I think this is a rep confused about the fact that you can run the Lefthand VSA, and apply FT against it (though of course, they software RAID and have a distributed volume manager, so you don’t use it that way – you run multiple VSA nodes?). vSphere Fault Tolerance works on all storage platforms on the VMware HCL.
- “Clustered SAN architecture to match your ESX server cluster”. This one is a funny one to me too – while there’s an argument to be made about "scale out of x86 servers with DAS with software turned into a scaled out storage array” (note that interestingly a V-Max is literally a set of scale-out x86 server with storage attached – just with the idea of linking all the servers into a common memory space so cache is global/any IO served by any port/brain via the Virtual Matrix) is a good design, there’s nothing implicit that makes that better for vSphere use cases, more or less than any other use case. Remember I came from a company (Allocity) that did a similar idea (though at BEST we were a much, much less mature implementation than Lefthand), so I get the value, and the downsides of the approach.
This one is flat out wrong.
- “The only SAN platform which supports SRM for both automated failover and FAILBACK”. This is wrong, EMC offers this on 3 of our 4 SRAs, and I believe that EqualLogic and Compellent offer something similar.
Look, I’m not trying to stir the pot here. Honestly, every vendor does this, and every sales rep is always looking for “silver bullets” to put out there. I’ll continue the series so long as it’s in good fun, and people don’t get too bent. I’ll try, as always to be as even handed as possible. Was interesting to see the votes – NetApp and EMC got lots of votes (though the statements too me at least pointed to EqualLogic or Lefthand) – suggests perhaps we both have a reputation for a lot of FUD?
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